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when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way all the way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on just the idea of harassing e-mails. if they were even that. fran townsend, appreciate it. suzanne kelly. >>> there is new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott, the florida couple caught up in the scandal. they started a cancer charity back in 2005, shortly after they moved to tampa, dissolved it a couple of years later and they are facing several lawsuits over money problems. drew griffin who is part of the cnn special investigation unit joins us with more on that what have you learned? >> another twisted part of the tale, anderson. public records show as jill kelley was entertaining top military brass in her backyard, she and her husband, dr. scott kelley, were battling a bank in court, because the bank claimed they weren't paying their mortgage. documents show the
when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way all the way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on just the idea of harassing e-mails. if they were even that. fran townsend, appreciate it. suzanne kelly. >>> there is new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott,...
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had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the state department, the fbi, everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes? and nobody knew. the only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the white house. so that -- you know, i don't know whether -- what they said yesterday is exactly right or not, but what i do know is that every member of the intelligence community said that references to al-qaeda were removed by somebody and they don't know who. and references to attacks versus demonstrations were removed by somebody. >> let me ask you a question. will your committee, call on excuse son rice to ask her to testify? >> i don't know the answer to that right now. we will talk about that. we have two more hearings scheduled. >> do you think she will be called? >> she's going to have to come in and of it at some point. whether it's in a closed hearing or open hearing. we will have an open hearing too but at some point she needs to come in and say what the president or the white house directed her to say. >> senator leiberm
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plus, the mystery man who triggered the fbi petraeus probe revealed. we're getting new information about who this veteran agent is and how he got involved. and a storm victim struggling to stay warm with no power for weeks gets a personal visit from the president of the united states. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we've got breaking news. we're getting new information about what then-cia director david petraeus knew about the benghazi attack and when he knew it. let's get right to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, what are you learning? >> wolf, i have just spoken to someone, a long-standing source who has spoken to david petraeus. this is someone on his level professionally. this person is directly familiar from petraeus with his thinking, with petraeus' thinking about what he will tell congress tomorrow about the benghazi attacks. david petraeus wants to tell congress that he knew almost immediately after the september 11th attacks that
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we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president did address the issue yesterday, though he moved on quickly. should the president have been notified earlier? >> it sounds like as a general matter, what the congresswoman is saying is correct. there should be some definition of when an investigation needs to be brought up. but certainly if the fbi is looking to something in the white house you want want them alerting the white house. in the case of petraeus, nobody is furnishing any evidence that national security was compromised in any way. which raises the question, why was this so important in the first place and why is this worth ending the career of t
we will deal with the fbi -- and i think we should deal with the fbi, on security on the question of the line of notification. going forward we cannot have the white house not being informed, if it's necessary in the protection of the american people. >> the question is time. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee, thank you so much for your time. let's go back to dana and to you susan. dana, you first. the issue about david petraeus. what was known, what happened when, the president...
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today they hear from the top intelligence folks from the cia, the fbi, the national intelligence office and they are learning some of the time line. we are told they're getting a sense of what was known, and why did this whole controversy bubble up about a video, a spontaneous protest or an intentional act of terror, which is such a part of the political dynamic here. what we hear from members who were in the earlier briefing, the senate briefing is happening right now, is that there was a difference in the nature of the attacks. the first wave of the attack appeared more chaotic. the second attack went on over a period of seven hours appeared far more coordinated with command and control, the ability to bring weaponry, things like that, that cause some of this unease about how to decide who was behind it and what was going on. when you talk about frustrations, there are those political frustrations but also a lot of frustrations here about wanting to get to the bottom of it to know what happened, why chris stevens, the ambassador, his pleas for additional security, his warnings about d
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the fbi has its own protocols in terms of how they proceed. and, you know, i'm iffing to let director mueller and others examine those protocols and make some statements to the public general. i do topt emphasize that general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great distinction in iraq, afghanistan, and as head of the cia. business hen own assessment, he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary as the director of the cia with respect to this personal matter that he is now dealing with his family and with his wife, and it's on that basis that he tendered his resignation and it's on that basis that i accepted it. but i want to emphasize that from my perspective at least he has provided this country an extraordinary service. we are safer because of the work that david petraeus has done, and my hope right now is that he and his family are able to move on and that this ends up being a single side note on what has otherwise been an extraordinary career. again, i think you're going to have to talk to the f
the fbi has its own protocols in terms of how they proceed. and, you know, i'm iffing to let director mueller and others examine those protocols and make some statements to the public general. i do topt emphasize that general petraeus had an extraordinary career. he served this country with great distinction in iraq, afghanistan, and as head of the cia. business hen own assessment, he did not meet the standards that he felt were necessary as the director of the cia with respect to this personal...
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member of the senate judiciary committee, chuck grassley n a letter to the attorney general and the fbi director is asking for a detailed briefing before the end of next week on the legal authorities obtained to monitor the former cia director's e-mail by the fbi as well as the legal analysis that allowed them to conclude that they did not need to notify congress, nor the white house of this ongoing investigation with national security implications, jon. jon: katherineer ridge in washington, thank you. jenna: now we turn to afghanistan where nearly 70,000 u.s. troops continue to fight today. afghan president hamid karzai is accusing the u.s. of violating an agreement on transferring detainees. this comes as leaders in kabul oppose offering immunity to american forces after that 2014 withdrawal deadline. this is a key sticking point in negotiations with the u.s., and we saw a similar debate emerge as we were withdrawing or drawing down in iraq. conor powell is live in kabul with more. >> reporter: well, jenna, this is just the latest in a long line of disputes between president karzai an
member of the senate judiciary committee, chuck grassley n a letter to the attorney general and the fbi director is asking for a detailed briefing before the end of next week on the legal authorities obtained to monitor the former cia director's e-mail by the fbi as well as the legal analysis that allowed them to conclude that they did not need to notify congress, nor the white house of this ongoing investigation with national security implications, jon. jon: katherineer ridge in washington,...
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you served a long career in the fbi. you have a shirtless fbi agent, his picture circulating out there. he was involved, apparently, in some way in getting this information publicly. how does this impact the murail of the fbi men and women? >> the fbi agents in particular were not happy about the characterization of the shirtless agent and the pictures that went out. it's been established that picture was sent a long time ago, had nothing to do with this, and it was a joke on the part of that agent who had this picture taken in between two dummies and make it look like he was a target at the range, and he sent it to a number of people including the media. >> the fbi has really been amazing over these past few decades. since the sordid days of j. edgar hoover in rebuilding its reputation. an incident like this could have a negative impact. >> it could but it won't. the agents should not have got outside of the fbi. that's why these protocols exist. that's why the white house wasn't notified, because of what happened decad
you served a long career in the fbi. you have a shirtless fbi agent, his picture circulating out there. he was involved, apparently, in some way in getting this information publicly. how does this impact the murail of the fbi men and women? >> the fbi agents in particular were not happy about the characterization of the shirtless agent and the pictures that went out. it's been established that picture was sent a long time ago, had nothing to do with this, and it was a joke on the part of...
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the fbi isn't commenting on its investigation. but cnn has new information from tom fuentes who spoke to sources with knowledge of the probe. he says after kelley complained to an fbi agent about the harassing e-mails, agents from the bureau's cyber crime unit got a subpoena and got the internet service provider to give them information on who owned the account of the sender. >> what's the internet address they are being transmitted by. >> reporter: that likely would have been more than one internet address. news reports say paula broadwell, now known as the person sending harassing e-mails to kelley believed to send them from various places. depending on where the computer was plugged in, the sender would have different ip addresses. an expert on internet monitoring explains what the fbi likely did next. >> so what they did is they determined that she logged into this e-mail account from hotels around the country. and so they contacted the hotels and got the guest lists, the names of people who were staying at the hotels on those
the fbi isn't commenting on its investigation. but cnn has new information from tom fuentes who spoke to sources with knowledge of the probe. he says after kelley complained to an fbi agent about the harassing e-mails, agents from the bureau's cyber crime unit got a subpoena and got the internet service provider to give them information on who owned the account of the sender. >> what's the internet address they are being transmitted by. >> reporter: that likely would have been more...
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to sources this last meeting between the two apparently happened after bro broadwell admitted to the fbi that she and petraeus had an affair. we get our "1st look" at the fbi agent who actually started the investigation that led to the cia director's resignation. this is frederick w. humphreys ii, a personal friend of jill kelley. lawmakers have to wait another day before hearing general petraeus's testimony on benghazi. there were questions of whether the former cia director would take part in the house intelligence committee. instead he will appear behind closed doors with both intelligence committees tomorrow where leaders will zero in on all of the information they have been wanting to get from him. let me bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. she's standing by. kelly, there's a new report out today that in the last few days of his tenure with the cia that general petraeus really wanted a time line of events and some other information released, perhaps clarify the cia and the information it had. >> well, they've been trying to piece together information, and p
to sources this last meeting between the two apparently happened after bro broadwell admitted to the fbi that she and petraeus had an affair. we get our "1st look" at the fbi agent who actually started the investigation that led to the cia director's resignation. this is frederick w. humphreys ii, a personal friend of jill kelley. lawmakers have to wait another day before hearing general petraeus's testimony on benghazi. there were questions of whether the former cia director would...
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what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting criminal investigations to the white house and others actually stem way back to the watergate scandal. an investigation back then uncovered abuses and mistakes and the justice department has since made changes. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! reminds me of our network before cdw virtualized it. how
what about all of that time while the fbi was looking into it? and maybe they had suspected there was a national security risk. why weren't we, the people who were supposed to have oversight in the intelligence community informed of that possibility? >> so many questions. more than answers and when you hear the word criminal, dana, of course, that gets a lot of people going. dana bash on capitol hill for us. dana, thank you very much. >>> many of the fbi protocols on reporting...
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remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus petraeus only resigned after national intelligence director james clapper told him to do so. joining me now, spencer ackerman senior writer for "wired" who writes for their national security blog the danger room and nbc's richard wolf. richard, i don't know i don't know much about waging war. i do know a little bit about living life. and these generals are writing absolutely crazy letters which i don't have time to read to a judge in a custody battle. >> right. >> a woman who has lost custody of her son, and in this country it is not easy for women to lose custody of children in these situations, th
remember her fbi friend that started the investigation? turns out he was also the person who called house majority leader eric cantor and told him what he knew. one more character connecting petraeus and allen in this messy web, jill's twin sister natalie, just weeks ago both generals wrote letters in support of natalie in a custody battle over her four-year-old son. "the washington post" is now reporting according to advisers close to petraeus petraeus only resigned after national...
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i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so maybe the president will put some of those things to rest tomorrow. but the fbi really hasn't come out and said much at all so a lot of the information that's been coming out about this case has been through leaks and anonymous sources. >> i think the reason the fbi is not saying anything is because this is going to be deeply embarrassing when we get to the bottom of it. thank you both very much. >>> i want to turn to a member of general petraeus' inner circle, his former spokesman, colonel steve boylan. colonel, thank you for joining me. when did you last speak to david petraeus? >> i spoke with
i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so...
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the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet, and he thought that the justice department and the fbi were dragging their feet, so he -- that's why he went to the hill. >> okay. let me get back to david on this, on the military end of this thing. why was petraeus basically forced to resign? why did the matter come to his superior, mr. clapper, head of intelligence -- all the intelligence services? why was it going through channels? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty,
the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet,...
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why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department or from the fbi any national security concerns. >> well, let me go to david wood on that very point. david, your sense of this watching it from above, meaning from the policy level looking at the sordidness of this, what does it mean? it looks like petraeus' career has ended. he did the honorable thing i think in the end by just falling on his sword. that's over with. what about general allen, our commander in afghanistan? this would seem to be somewhat distracting to be sending something like 30,000 e-mails or whatever out. i don't even know how
why would an fbi agent go to him? >> well, he actually went -- a friend of this fbi agent went to a representative from washington state originally. there was some kind of personal connection with the fbi agent's friend and he went to eric cantor. >> i see. >> one thing that's important to say, i mean, you talked about the sex and scandal is apparently the national security concerns have all been knocked down. at this point there don't appear to be from the justice department...
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>>ing from -- snooping from the fbi. jay edgar hoover ran the country for decades because he was in everyone's business and could blackmail any other competitor in government. you know, in retrospect was kind of a constitutional crisis for the country we resolved would never happen again. what we saw here the professionalization of the fbi is such that didn't happen here, right? eric holder isn't like, we think, gathering up this foin and using it. >> the opposite. unambitious bureaucrat takes down the head of the cia. >> the head of the cia doesn't know what every celebrity has been known for many years. >> outrage he's not bitter -- >> e-mail is not prior to. and it hasn't been for so many years. i mean what we send out there on the internet is virtually public domain. >> hank paulson before congress during sort of post-t.a.r.p. hearings and asked about his e-mail and he said i don't use e-mail. like that is not how i roll. you see the reason. >> i don't know that hank paulson. >> they dictate it to a secretary which t
>>ing from -- snooping from the fbi. jay edgar hoover ran the country for decades because he was in everyone's business and could blackmail any other competitor in government. you know, in retrospect was kind of a constitutional crisis for the country we resolved would never happen again. what we saw here the professionalization of the fbi is such that didn't happen here, right? eric holder isn't like, we think, gathering up this foin and using it. >> the opposite. unambitious...
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fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >> right. >> and then they get into paula broadwell's e-mails, then break down another wall to get into david petraeus' e-mail account. and then they justify that and break down that wall and say, well, you know, national security may have been compromised because maybe she sent along classified documents, but she didn't, so there, somebody responsible at the fbi has to say, okay, guys, you know what? nothing to see here. it's internal investigation, you know, petraeus may be acting up, but this is no longer a crime. they sai
fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >>...
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last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were exchanged over a two-year span. his confirmation is being held up. that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. the story is changing by the hour. every hour there are new allegations as pertains to general allen. 20 to 30,000 pages worth of documents. first 30,000 e-mails. you think that's not the case because it would be mathematically impossible. but how much time is he spending as the commander of the war in afghanistan e-mailing this woman. that's one of the central issues to sort out is how distracted is this general from what is supposed to be his main job, which is winning the war in afghanista
last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were...
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as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private? >> well, i believe that the standard has to be, does this have an impact on our national security? so far, we haven't seen anything that gives evidence of that. we have another balance that we have to strike, our founders had to do it, the beginning of our country, and we still do, except now with communication the way it is in a different way. and that's a balance between security and liberty. and so how do you make that balance? should congress and the president be informed of hearsay? i don't think so. what is triggered about informing the congress in any event, just talking about congress, does
as you know, this arose from the fbi starting an investigation into an unrelated matter and they came across evidence of his sexual misconduct. at this point, there does not seem to be any evidence of anything criminal or of the mishandling of classified information. at least that we know thus far. given that, do you think that the fbi should tell congress and tell the white house about evidence they uncover of personal sexual misconduct by political figures? or should that be kept private?...
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investigation, i don't wt to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cros. i did not come across it during the watergate period. neil: we are not after that. this is a scandal that grows in your opinion? or not? >> you know, i endorsed governor romney. but i would like now to the new administration could start without avoidable controversy. but the information was known at a high-level, it is a matter that the countries want to look into. on the whole, i would like to focus on the future. to not have beginning of administration. that would be my attitude. this evidence developed of the major capacity, there will be consequences. neil: we are going to take a quick
investigation, i don't wt to question the motives of the fbi. i am sure that they -- they have gone by the instructions of which they operate. neil: when you are under president nixon, even when the administrations were competing, they thought that was okay. they thought they were doing better for the country. >> the fbi did it to prove the job. they did the internal pursuit of espionage in this country. they operated abroad. sometimes these lines might cros. i did not come across it...